The Olivet Discourse

I’d like to suggest a short book that has greatly blessed me. I’m all about thinking outside the box and testing my own hypotheses, and this book does both. As most of you know I have developed my end-times views largely from a dispensational foundation. Yet at the same time I do not feel beholden to the overall dispensational framework. In other words, if certain dispensational teaching doesn’t make sense, I have no problem rejecting it. That’s the freedom I have by not having been brought up through a denominational bible school and becoming indebted to certain professors and their views simply because they were my mentors, or working as a pastor having my livelihood dependent on toeing the party line. So much of the church fosters denominational cliques and groups seeking their own power and prestige, rather than giving people freedom and encouragement to seek out the truth. This unfortunate reality continues to keep us divided, as any ideas from that “other group” are often ignored or disputed simply on an ad hominem basis, without any sincere thought.

The truth is that the older I get the less sure I become of my own perspective and views! So it is in that spirit that I am endorsing the following book that offers a different view of Matthew 24:1-35. As I keep working through it I am seriously considering re-writing some of my past studies on this passage. Could I be opening up a can of worms? Perhaps. But that doesn’t bother me. As Jesus said, “The Truth shall make you free.”

Here’s the book:

The Olivet Discourse Made Easy, by Kenneth Gentry

kindle ebook: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0052GA4W6/ref=cm_sw_r_fa_dpd_bCdDsb19EEA7S

paperback: http://www.kennethgentry.com/olivet-discourse-made-easy-book-25-off/

Seek and ye shall find!
Aloha,

Peter Goodgame
https://redmoonhawaii.wordpress.com/
http://www.redmoonrising.com


8 thoughts on “The Olivet Discourse

  1. Hi Peter,

    I have read your books and thank you for your research; I have gained valuable insight into Bible Prophecy as a result.

    I appreciate your candor and your willingness to study views outside of the dispensational model.

    I will continue to follow your blog in anticipation of a rewrite on your previous held understanding of the Olivet Discourse which apparently (from your book recommendation) leads to the possibility of a Preterist interpretation.

    My world will crumble should this happen. (just kidding)

    God Bless

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  2. Now don’t assume I am adopting the preterist view wholesale! It’s just that Gentry here offers a compelling and comprehensive argument for the preterist view of Matthew 24:1-35.

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  3. The very thing you mentioned, being taught from various teachers, Pastors, denominational cliques, and power seeking prophecy leaders and writers given to help us form our understandings and views, causes me to raise an eyebrow with yet another man’s views and understandings going against the river current. The Bible has never failed to teach me and bring light to new meanings and understandings. However, I have to wonder as I read another mans interpretation and understanding, for I am sure I will be presueded, and I am sure I will question my own understandings thus far. One of the biggest problems I hear from the lost out there, is the confusion in religion. There are so many different understandings, and individuals seeking to make changes. I do have to wonder myself, why God would give a different understanding to one man and send him out to form a group. Deception is everywhere, and it certainly doesn’t seem fair. I have changed my views enough times, my lost family members don’t care to listen to me. I will consider this new discovery, and take it to prayer before downloading it. I did enjoy your last series of posts so much. It blessed my life and changed it forever.
    With much gratitude, may our loving Abba bless you,
    Tamra

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  4. Dear Christ believer,
    Great Tribulation is almost here. The spiritual and earthly plagues are coming! I am witness and have a testimony about the churches, her leaders and followers on earth.
    I am sending this message to all denomination and non-denomination Christ believing churches of Catholics, Christians, Mormons, Jehovah witnesses around the world Matt 25:6; Heb 11:7; Rev 11:3,7.
    I am witness to seeing the beast ascended out of the bottomless pit. The beast is in perdition even as you read this message. This perdition is 3.5 years Dan 7:25; Rev 12:6,14,17; Rev 13:5-6; Rev 17:8.
    I am witness thru the power and anointing of the Holy Spirit of truth in seeing image of beast, his mark, and the number of his name in the people of churches on earth Revelation 15:2-3.
    The mark of beast comes from the churches Rev 16:14; Rev 13:6,7-8,16-18; Rev 18:23;1 John 2:15-17; Isaiah 9:6kjv vs. Isaiah 9:5Torah.
    The mark of the beast is spiritual. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places Eph 6:12.
    Matt 10:28, And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell Rev 20:14. 2 Cor 11:13-15, For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers (host) also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works Daniel 8:12.

    How does the devil deceive the whole world Revelation 13:8? Image of man- Rom 1:23, 25; Isaiah 14:13-14; Rev 13:18; Mark 8:33; 2 Thess 2:4; Matt 24:15; Rev 17:8; Rev 6:15;Rev 19:20.
    Churches on earth -Isaiah 14:17; Dan 7:21,25; Dan 8:12-13; Dan 11:22,31-32, ; Dan 11:39,45; Matt 24:23-26; Luke 4:5-6; Luke 17:20-23;Mark 11:17; Mark 13:1-2, 5-6; Matt 13:30.
    Their teachings- 1 thess 5:3,Dan 9:26; Dan 11:22, 31-32;1Tim 4:1; 1Tim 1:6-10; 2Tim 2:16; 2Tim 4:3-4; Titus 1:10-11; Matt 15: 5-6; Matt 16:11; 2 Peter 2:2-3, 18-19; 1 John 4:5;Jude 1: 12,16;1 Cor 2:13; Dan 12:4; 2Tim 3:7.
    Signs and lying wonders- Matt 7:22; Matt 24:24; 2 Thess 2:9-10;Acts 16:17; Rev 16:14; Rev 18:23.
    In book of Daniel fourth kingdom will devour the whole earth Dan 7:23; Joel 2:3; Isaiah 14:17.
    This fourth kingdom and her beast is the mother church in Rome called,” Mystery Babylon the Great the Mother of Harlots Abominations of the earth” Rev10:7; Rev17:5.
    Every church great or small of Catholics, Christians, Mormons, Jehovah witnesses, and any other form of doctrine thru Christ, Jesus and the people in them around the world all spiritually connected to mother church in Rome and Babylon, the Great City, which is spiritually called, “Sodom and Egypt” 2 Thess 2:7; Rev 11:8; Rev 17:9,15,18. This spiritual city is about to receive her hour of judgement Rev 17:1-2; Rev 11:13.
    All churches around the world have same roots as mother church in Rome- pulpit /raised platform, image of man/host (idols), congregation, church buildings between the seas, communion wafer/juice, choir, instruments, celebrate winter/spring holiday-(Rev 11:10; Dan 8:12), weddings, birthdays, funerals, candles, and many more Revelation 18:22-23.
    The silent abomination image of man on a raised platform in all churches around the world Matt 24:15. The image of man center of idol worship thru man’s hands, devices, speeches, flatteries, and music 2 Thess 2:3-4. Spiritual desolation happening inside all churches because image of man idolized Rev13:17-18;Isaiah 14:13;Rev18:2.
    How does fourth kingdom devour whole earth? By blending in with the systems of man and the spiritual plagues Rev 9:4,15; Dan 2:43;Joel 2:2-5,10. Churches have schools, web sites, concerts, businesses, college /universities, TV networks/channels, radio stations, buildings, recovery programs, media, news, magazines, and even their own bank Matt 6:24;1 John 2:15-17; Rev 13:16-18.
    The church’s preachers, evangelists, faith healers, pastors, prophets/prophetess, teachers, pope, cardinals, priests, their worship services, music, fellowship, bible studies, revivals, programs, published books/CDs, and their church activities WILL NOT SAVE YOU OR YOUR FAMILY MEMBERS during great tribulation (spiritual plagues) and the coming of the son of man Rev 1:7.
    Rev 18:4, And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that you be not partakers of her sins, and that you receive not of her plagues Dan 12:7; Isaiah 26:20-21; Isaiah 27:1.
    Seek God in prayer for the truth this will save you and your family members. I did for two years asking God for the truth about the churches, her leaders and followers and about myself. Hear my testimony on video just google, “Christ testimony of the churches around the world”.
    There are-
    Two identical jesus christ- Rev 17:8; Dan 7:21,25; Dan 8:11 / Luke 1:69; Rev 19:12; Matt 7:22; Matt 24:24
    Two image of man -Dan 2:31-32/ 1Cor 12:12-13,18.
    Two temples-Luke 21:5-6; Rev 18:21/ John 2:18-19;2 Peter 1:13-14.
    Two kingdoms -Fourth kingdom thru works of man’s hands Dan 7:11,23,25-26;Dan 8:22-25; Zep3:8; Hag 2:22; Matt 4:8;Matt 7:22;Luke 4:5.
    Everlasting kingdom of Christ thru the Spirit of God w/o hands 1 Chron 17:11,14; Dan 2:35, 44-45; Dan7:22,27;Rev 21:1-3; Luke 17:20-24; Col 3:1-4; Hebrews 8:1-2; Eph 2:20-22;Rom 2:28-29.
    Two men building a house- Matt 7:24-25; Matt 25:4 / Matt 7:26-27; Matt 25:3.
    Two identical strait gates-Matt 7:13 / Matt 7:14;
    John 10:3; Gal 4:25-27; John 4:23-24; Col 3:1-3; Philip 3:3,9-11; Rom 2:29; Gal 5:24; 1Peter 4:1-2.

    The 3.5 years before Great tribulation Revelation 11:2 outer court of God given to the gentiles Luke 21:24;Rev 13:10; Gal 4:25,27. God delivers two individuals out of the churches on earth. God anoints them as witnesses. They have power of God to prophesy against the churches on earth and her beast for 3.5 years.
    The beast ascends out of the bottomless pit and goes in perdition as God’s two witnesses prophesy to the people of churches on earth. The two witnesses tell their testimony for people of God to come out of all churches on earth and seek God in prayer to receive the outpouring of God’s Spirit which is the sealing. This happens before Great tribulation Ezek 9:1-5. God is even calling well known ministers to come out of churches on the earth.
    The beast wars against the people of God to try and keep them in churches, radio stations, tv networks, web sites, charities, businesses, schools, colleges, universities, in home bible studies, and any kind of organization that forms groups centered around the bible and a leader Dan 7:25; Dan 11:32,35; Dan 12:10; Rev 13:6; Gal 4:29.
    The people of God come out of churches and go into warfare against the spiritual lies and deceptions of the devil and get the victory Rev 15:2-3. The two witnesses of God finish their testimony. The beast wars against two witnesses and kills them. The people of the churches on earth rejoice to see their dead bodies in the Great City during winter holiday because the two witnesses tormented them on the earth. Three in a half days the two witnesses come to life by the power and anointing of the Holy Spirit of God and they leave the Great City while all their enemies beheld them Rev 11:7-12.
    Yes this is really happening as you read this message Great tribulation is almost here. This message is real. God is for real! I am telling the truth people of God come out of the churches!
    The testimonies of the two witnesses and those who get the victory over the beast are received in the temple of God Rev 11:19; Rev 15:5.
    A great spiritual earthquake happens in the Great City which is spiritually called, “Sodom and Egypt”. Many men (7000) spiritually come to the truth about the churches on earth and flee weeping and wailing for the people that stay behind in the churches and its affiliations around the world Rev 11:13; Rev 18:9-10.
    Beast takes his seat in the mother church of Rome to spiritually govern all churches and its affiliations on earth to prepare for spiritual/earthly/physical desolation on earth and spiritual warfare against the Lord and his Christ Dan:8:23;Rev 17:11; Joel 2: 2-9; Rev 19:19; Ps 2. The outpouring of God’s Spirit Acts 2:16-19; Joel 2:28-30. According to scriptures there are four angels loosened from the great river Euphrates and take their position holding the four winds. They are stopped by angel from above with sealing of God for the twelve tribes of the children of Israel to be sealed first. These are the first fruits of the harvest. The harvest is the end of the world. Also many people out of all nations are sealed and come out of Great tribulation ready for the coming of the son of man Rev 7:1-4,9,13-14; Matt 13:30; John 11:52; Dan 12:10.
    The seven angels come out of the temple of God and given the seven vials full of the wrath of God Rev 15:5-7; Dan 9:27.
    The people of churches go into stronger delusion 2 Thess 2:9-11. They are the host and armies of the beast of the fourth kingdom on the earth Rev 16:14; Rev 19:19; Rev 6:15; Isaiah 5:1-13. The people of God must come out of the churches.
    During Great tribulation great affliction upon the earth Matt 24:12,21-23;Luke 17:22-23; Luke 21:11,25-26;Isaiah chpt13; Isaiah chpt24-25.
    God shortens the days for the elect sake Dan 12:12-13; Joel 2:11>Rev 19:11-16,20. The spiritual battle to remove the beast from his seat and kingdom on earth Dan 7:23-24.
    The heavens open in the spirit realm and Christ appears having a new name and the elect (witnesses) are with him. Then Christ speaks his new name and the beast is cast into lake of fire Dan 7:11,26; Rev 19:20. The kings of the beast come to the truth that they were fighting against the true Jesus, the just one, the Christ, the son of the living true God. These men flee to the caves and rocks crying out fall on us Rev 19:19, 21; Rev 6:15-17; Isaiah 2:19-22; Luke 23: 28-31.Many people in the valley of decision during this spiritual battle will wonder on earth why they are seeing the sun, moon and stars darkened according to scriptures 2 Thess 2:9-10; Joel 3:14-15.
    The devil the old serpent is furious and gathers on earth to battle against God in the heavens Rev 20:8-10. The devil is cast into the lake of fire Rev 20:10. God sends son of man with fire of God behind him Dan2: 35,44-45;Luke 3:17>Matt 13:30. The Moon is turning red and the stars falling on the earth and the sign of the son of man is appearing Matt 24:29-30>27; Joel 2:31; Joel 3:16; Isaiah 34:4; Rev 6:13-14.
    The last Shofar is sounding son of man coming on clouds and the sea, death, and hell give up the dead Rev 20:13. The resurrection of the dead and the living happens as son of man coming behind him fire of God consuming earth and all those left from resurrection of the dead who have gone back into their sinful flesh and those alive stay in their sinful flesh Dan 12:2; Matt 24:40-41.
    The resurrection of the dead and the living into the body of Christ 1 Cor 15:52; Matt 24:28,31; Isaiah 26:19. The dead in Christ rise as God raised his son from the dead on the third day and the living are transfigured as Christ shown Peter on the holy mount Luke 24:39-40;Matt 17:2; 2 Peter 1:13-14.
    Earth and all works consumed by the fire God and the dead stand before the throne of God and the books are opened Dan 2:35; Peter 3:7,10-12; Rev 20:11-13. God creates new heavens and new earth Isaiah 65:17; Rev 21:1. New Jerusalem and the people of God Gal 4:26> Rev 21:2-4, 10, 22-27.
    Again please hear my testimony on video just goggle “Christ testimony of the churches around the world.”

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  5. Peter,
    I have enjoyed your viewpoint as stated in your books “Red Moon Rising” and the “Second coming of the Antichrist” , but I am concerned that you are starting to veer off track. My response to Kenneth Gentry is are you alive ? can you see what is happening in this world at this time ? Peter, I hope that carefully investigate the matter before you go off into the “desert”.

    Your Brother in Christ , Ray Johnson ( Octogenarian)

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  6. Thanks for your comments Raymond Johnson! Yes, I am taking quite a bit of heat for referring people to Gentry and to his preterist viewpoint. Someone emailed me personally and essentially called me and Gentry demonic and that he planned to “expose” me. That just goes to show how Christians tend to become wedded to their own particular perspectives.

    Recently I was able to listen to Mike Heiser’s presentation from Future Congress 2 critiquing the evangelical passion for its end-times schemes. Very eye-opening how passionate we become about something that is really biblically quite vague. Yes, prophecy is not clear on a number of issues which we seem to hold to rigidly and dogmatically. We need to lighten up and take a step back, and perhaps be willing to consider that our views might be wrong, and at least take the time to understand contrary views.

    Having said all this, I should probably explain where I am at right now. I’ve looked into the preterist viewpoint, and I’ve also looked into the amillennial viewpoint, which has been the traditional view of the Church (Catholic and Protestant). I’ve also looked into the post-millennial viewpoint that tends to embrace dominionism and is becoming increasingly popular in charismatic circles. However, none of these viewpoints have been able to sway me from a futurist view of Rev. 6-19. I’m also rather convinced of a future seven year period in the end times during which these prophecies seem to be fulfilled.

    One area where I am being shifted, however, which I have always been uncomfortable with, is regarding the physical nation of Israel. I no longer hold to the dispensational view that Israel must again be exalted over the Gentiles during the Millennium, and that a “millennial temple” will be built, a new “levitical priesthood” will be chosen, and animal sacrifices will once again be offered during the millennium, while the world is ruled over by Jesus. I think this is way off base and I have discovered for myself how the New Testament writers show that this is a prophetic impossibility. We will not go back to the types and shadows of the Old Covenant during the Millennium! All the Old Covenant rituals pointed to Christ, and since He came there is no need for a segregated priesthood, no need for sacrifices, and definitely no need for a new “dividing line” between Jews and Gentiles, because we are all ONE in Christ Jesus!

    Yet even as I believe this to be the case, I still believe in a positive future for the nation of Israel. Paul was clear in Romans 11 that physical Israel will turn to Jesus in the end times after the full number of the Gentiles have come in. But they come into a covenant of equality with believing Gentiles, not into a place of dominance, and not into some future covenant that contains much of the old and unneccessary Mosaic baggage!

    I’m sure I’ll share more of my thoughts on this in the days ahead.

    Shalom!

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  7. Just finished this book and it was very clear and concise. There were a few areas where I thought he was reaching to fit the premise. Matt 24:30-31 “Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man arriving on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet blast, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.” But the other arguments seem to fit with the 70 AD event. I think he missed an attempt to explain the Bar Kochba revolt within the “Exile” narrative. Since the Babylonian Exile lasted 70 years, I would expect the Jews to assume that the 70 AD event would last 70 years also, hence the messianic revolt in 132-135 AD before the end of the 70 years in 140 AD.

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  8. Evangelical Christians are all over the map as far as their mental health is concerned. We’ve got plenty of looneys who claim to be Christian. The person who emailed you and threatened to expose you as a “Gentry demonic” is probably one of them. Thanks to you I am exploring the preterist viewpoint. I’d heard of it, but never investigated. I’ve gotten several of Gentry’s books including the one you suggest. So far I’d say the viewpoint makes a whole lot of sense, and answers for me some of the questions I had about the dispensational view. I really did wonder why we decided Revelation was about the future in the face of it being said time and time again that these things were “soon to take place”. The answer, that for God one day is like a thousand days didn’t really satisfy me, since nowhere in Revelation was that ever once expressed, or even eluded to. Gentry makes a whole lot of sense and frankly, after I got over the irritation that we can’t seem to figure this out and come to a consensus, I actually felt like somebody opened the door and let in a nice big rush of fresh air.

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